Real Talk from foreigners dating and getting hitched with Egyptians.
Tina, didn't agree with what I wrote about the Egyptian culture on dating Part 1. Here is what she said,
Just remember that for every dramatic negative experience there are 10 positive - but people who are happily married usually don't like to share that (and it doesn't bring as much attention as drama).
I read your first blog post and have two cents to add: you presented the Egyptian society in a very stereotypical way - as a complete antidote to the West, where dating doesn't happen and everyone stays a virgin until their arranged marriage.
This is becoming less and less the norm, especially in urban areas. Literally every Egyptian that I've met or have in my social circle has dated, been in relationships, broken up, got engaged (sometimes multiple times), broken up, and in the end - if they wanted to - married whoever they actually fell in love with. I've never encountered an arranged marriage in Egypt (I had in Turkey, Pakistan and India though). Yes, families are involved when the relationship reaches the level of engagement, but they're oftentimes not given the veto power any more.
People are actually intimate before wedding, they explore their sexualities, preferences and their religious identities. There are feminist men, empowered women who will put any 'enlightened' Westerner to shame. Many drink and take drugs or in any other way don't fit into this idea of what a traditional Egyptian man or woman should look like.
Just a funny little conversation my husband had with his boys last night: a girlfriend of one of them shared her experience growing up in Mexico so they were looking into statistics of violence against women there - they were shocked and then painted Mexican men as these violent animals. Couldn't believe how women are treated there. Just found it funny how many foreign women portray Egyptian men as these villians, meanwhile you had this group of perceived 'macho men' being in complete shock how men are capable of such widespread rape, killing and domestic violence.
Egypt is a country of stark contrasts and I hope you get to learn about its many faces! It comes with many frustrations, but it's what keeps a lot of people like myself enchanted here for years as well.
Ella said, "its complicated. "
Noren said, "it's a hot mess, absolute waste of time."
Mickey said,
I think you know about my experience already, it mustn't always end in a mess. I had my fair share of bad dating experiences in Egypt but finally ended up with a very kind, humble and loving human being. It's been two years now which is not a very long time to be sure but I'm happy like at day one :D I guess you're searching for couples with a longer relationship span since that'll be more credible.
To be sure, Egyptians have their very own quirks (like, why are there always so many socks in their shoes? Baaaah) :D and you just gotta learn to live with it.
Many of them have an attitude and POV though that women should not accept so I can understand and relate to the many negative experiences.
Jo's experience of dating in Egypt,
Hm.. My experience with possible partner from egypt was always negative in the end... The partner i had changed the face when they knew they catched my love complete... But I never heard so romantic words from someone else then egpytian guy... Maybe in the beginning of the relationship he made anything to impressed me.... Also his hiding stuff which i found out in the end of the drama relationship...
Love Stories...
Christine
I met mine in England but we came to Cairo in 1968. We were married for 47 years until his death. Never regretted it and his family were very good with me.
Sally
We met in Uni (AUC). We took a sociology class together (Gender and Inequality I believe). It was hard not to notice him because he was the ONE guy in the class. He had a nice smile. We didn't speak the whole semester. Didn't think he noticed me and figured he would just be one of those college crushes. Then at the beginning of the new semester he reached out to me via Facebook. We started chatting and at the time I told him I was saving up to buy and electric guitar. He offered to lend me his old electric guitar. I accepted and we agreed to meet up right before one of my classes. I went right up to him, said hello, then said "I have a class", took the guitar and left. I was so embarrassed! The next day I caught up with him and apologised for leaving so abruptly and said we should hang out. Everything grew from there.
Bray
I found Omar on Bumble and saw he is from Mexico.
I thought wow! I have never met a half-mexican half-egyptian before! So I swiped right.
To my disappointment he was fully mexican 🤣 and did not speak much English and zero Arabic!
We met anyway using Google translate, sign language, some english and a tad of Spanish. It was quite the challenge for both of us! We couldn't really have any conversation 🤭 a week later we met again for our second and last date.
This was all in March 2020. What happened then? The lockdown!
There were rumours about the airport shutting down and it was time for him to decide to leave instantly or take the risk. As we both wanted to spend more time together, he stayed. Little did he know he would be stuck in Egypt for 4 months.
By July, he caught the first flight back home. A week later I followed. I now live in Mexico❤️.
(This is a picture when we reunited in Mexico.)
Rachel
Met my husband online trying to learn Arabic. We have been married now 5+ years and I’m almost conversational, lol. Hey, Arabic is a hard language. Marriage and dating is hard no matter who you are/where you live. If you can’t laugh off cultural differences you’re SOL.
Melissa
My story.... So I had this hot much younger guy message me on FB over 5 years ago. I thought he was a scammer so wouldn't add him on FB and really put him through hell for 3 months but he was persistent. He broke down my walls. To me he was the most beautiful man and said all the sweetest things. So gave it a chance. Well we broke up the day after Christmas in 2015. He had to many girls on his page. We kept coming across each other on fb and my heart still belonged to him. A little over 4 years ago we came across each other on WhatsApp. I messaged him and it started all over again. I knew he was the man for me and he deleted all the women on his FB. I went to Egypt for the first time in November 2016 and married him 4 days later. I returned to America in December, sold everything and moved back with him in February of 2017. I am completely in love with this man and never have felt so loved and cherished in my life. I know I am crazy for moving so fast but hey you only live once and it was the best decision I ever made.
Hoffi
I got to know my husband in 2013. We are happy until now. My husband sayd, we are not only married, we are "ONE". That's right 💝
Joan
I came to Egypt as a tourist. I was met at airport and taken to my hotel. Mohamed and I had an instant feeling of connection. When I went home to NYC we started to correspond and then to telephone. Within 5 months he came to New York and we got married. That was 35 years ago and we are still together and currently living in Egypt.
These are just s few foreigners experiences dating and getting married in Egypt. Part 3 What to Expect when dating an Egyptian, coming soon...